公會人數下降以及RAID BOX 規範化的相關討論 的, pop

Yuma

我想近3個星期的RAID大家也會感覺到RW人數下降了不少..嚴格來說大概流失了8-10位MAIN CHAR戰力
CLE 的人數我想差不多已掉到最低點 (LK 大概可以BOX 4隻CLE...+ MAIN　1-2 位左右）沒有cle 基本上很多raid也會變得很困難
我想今晚的BD raid大家會感受到人數不足的情況下會倍感困難，以目前的戰力評評。我們的ＲＡＩＤ目前最缺的class及人數大概如下：

1 war : 2-3 位 （amedous 似乎已rare　pop ,sen 的pop 不穩定，bodo　ＰＯＰ也不多且甚少tank T3boss，目前是拿sk當tank)

2 cle:2-3位　(main heal char又常上線的只有1-2位。。目前ＢＯＸ　ＣＬＥ除ＬＫ外就只有jajabing 跟rezer)

3 shm : 1位 (main char　只有一位。。目前box shm有smaster)

要打完ＶＯＡ　Ｔ１　與　Ｔ２　大概約４０人左右。。但Ｔ３則最少４５人才有可能試推，以目前人員流失的情況來看。。
若無太大的改善。。極有可能因人數不足而被卡在Ｔ２。。。

我想是時候要不要討論將ＢＯＸ　ＣＨＡＲ規範化
基本上以不影響ＲＡＩＤ為前題

１　統計一下能ＢＯＸ　ＣＨＡＲ的玩家
２　定下ＲＡＩＤ　ＢＯＸ的最低ＨＰ／ＭＡＮＡ／ＡＡ要求
３　鼓勵會員應公會ＲＡＩＤ的需要ＢＯＸ　指定的ＣＬＡＳＳ出來支援ＲＡＩＤ


Ｔ３　的ＯＳＥＫＡ　與　ＲＴ　本來就是ＢＯＸ　不容易，不過在別無選擇的情況下也只有多作嘗試，不然打不出進度人數下降是無可避免。。。不然就是視ＲＷ的人數作活動調整。。。


歡迎討論：）

Yuma

it seems that the numbers of our raider drop down so fast in these few weeks
i afraid that it become more difficult to keep T3 raid in future
so i think its time to disccuss how to set up the rules for  box char to support our raid
in future:

i thin the key class we need for our raid are:

1  war (aound 2-3 as some of main war become rarepop these day)
2  cle (aound 2-3  only 1-2 main cle and others all box char but we still lack of heal !)
3  shm ( only 1 main shm and we have 1 box shm in raid)

so what we can do is to make a clear rules for box char to support our raid:

1  make a list for box char in raid
2  set a  minimum requiremnt (hp/mana/aa) for box char in raid
3  encourage members to box the char that our raid need in raid

of course box char wont affect the benefit of main char, what we did just to keep our raid can continue and run smoothly ...of course its hard to box char in T3 raid but we have no choice as our rw keep less pop when trying oseka or RT...

box raid in T3 is hard but we need to try or we just raid end if raider no enough .

lets discuss it!

Newbie

First and for most, I agree with what your saying!!
Secondly I'd like to add. It's approaching holiday time, all Guilds get light end of September till around mid February.. I think we're not as bad as we feel...

Yuma

i forget to mention one of benefit about box char
that is............to keep our rw enough char for cover for T4!!!
of course we need to get 18 win for T3 if we cant pass oseka and RT

sadly to say,even we fail to pass in both T3 before the expansion release in Nov or DEC
we can still keep enough chars to continue farming min gears to prepare for the next expansive.

let me make a simple calculation about box char
in our guild, i find that not less than 8 members can box for exp
therefore, if we can set a box char armies to back up our raid
therefore we can sure we can continue our raid until next exp release

in my memories,if guild fail to run raid few times because of low raider
it will make a big drop for the rw and cause the raid cancel at the end
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FOR oseka and RT raid, i suggest that Offier can make a discuss with NCM officer
not just get their advise but invite them to support our raid
it seems that they can pass T3 in short time (new record is pass BD+RT+COB in one night)
As NCM also have same time zone player ,we can try to invite them to support our raid
of course it wont be their main char and just their box/alt ,but who care if they meet the
requirement for hp/mana? As VOA raid can get raid coins it should be a attract point for them to join...

If our raider afraid to CR and depop for T3 raid, we need to find a way to recover it !

軍官可以考慮一下與NCM 談一下RAID的合作計劃,老實講NCM應該有不少玩家也跟RF是同時區的(而RF亦有一些會友其實亦有另一帳號參加NCM 的RAID) 我們當然不可能要求別人的MAIN CHAR參加公會的T3 RAID
但可以試談一下ALT/BOX CHAR的可能性...他們未必能提供大量的支持..但8-10個REAL CHAR的力量不可看輕,再者只要能符合HP/MANA 的要求下其實又何妨?

在RAID COINS的利誘下應該會有一定吸引力..LOOT當然也可以談不過前題是他們要提供相當的人力支援
在擁有相當戰力跟經驗的RAIDER下,我們的勝算才有可能大幅提高



我們的RAIDER 怕了無盡的CR 因而選擇在兩個T3 RAID DEPOP,那麼RL 不是想法子克服的話就只有眼巴巴看別人貼爽貼CONG T3 T4 CLEAR了

不妨考慮一下

anfield

Hi I have a box char I can play alongside my Druid, atm I am levelling my Mage he will be 95 in next few days, he already has 2k aa. On same acc I have 95 Bard with 3k+ aa, I would Box any of these to help Guild.

On my Druid account I also have 95 Shaman with 3k+ aa, he is Epic 2,0 and all Don MPG done, if NEEDED I would use him instead of Druid for any RAID the guild thinks he more useful on THAT day.
Just say to me, Use Shaman this day instead of Druid, and I will to help Guild.

I still want my Druid as my main, but I don't mind use Shaman now and again, IF he is needed more on a certain Raid.

nibbles

和NCM合作的事情，nemo已经和Roxor谈过了，结果是被拒绝了。

lklws

I can not give you any comfort, any guild maybe  encounter the problems, I can not give you my confidence, although I think we will see RF more brilliant future.

i list attendance of RF raider in the last two months:
there are 3 raid day every week ,we get 22 raider whos attendance more than 66.7% (it is mean can full 2 raid days)

1   Crazymasters Member 95 Monk 98.25 6.00 0.00 14.035714 92.25 09/24/12
2   Beatraci Member 95 Cleric 94.25 62.50 0.00 1.484252 31.75 09/24/12
3   Anfield Applicant Member 95 Druid 93.25 4.00 0.00 18.650000 89.25 09/24/12
4   Skofaz Member 95 Shadow Knight 93.00 10.00 0.00 8.454545 83.00 09/24/12
5   Firebeard Applicant Member 95 Berserker 92.75 24.00 0.00 3.710000 68.75 09/24/12
6   Scarletmez Applicant Member 95 Enchanter 91.75 8.00 0.00 10.194444 83.75 09/24/12
7   Yuma Member 95 Shadow Knight 90.50 26.00 0.00 3.351852 64.50 09/24/12
8   Kosmadtiger Member 95 Warrior 89.75 0.00 0.00 89.750000 89.75 09/24/12
9   Nibbst Member 95 Beastlord 89.25 26.00 0.00 3.305556 63.25 09/24/12
10 Tyan Member 95 Shadow Knight 88.75 10.00 0.00 8.068182 78.75 09/24/12
11 Penden Applicant Member 95 Monk 87.75 38.00 0.00 2.250000 49.75 09/24/12
12 Geobush Member 95 Beastlord 86.25 69.00 0.00 1.232143 17.25 09/23/12
13 Bebeto Member 95 Ranger 81.25 18.00 0.00 4.276316 63.25 09/24/12
14 Kuluku Box 95 Shaman 77.25 0.00 0.00 77.250000 77.25 09/24/12
15 Mammalia Member 95 Shaman 76.50 27.00 0.00 2.732143 49.50 09/24/12
16 Sexybeast Member 95 Warrior 75.50 3.00 0.00 18.875000 72.50 09/24/12
17 Brett Member 95 Enchanter 75.00 6.00 0.00 10.714286 69.00 09/24/12
18 Angbkr Member 95 Wizard 74.75 30.00 0.00 2.411290 44.75 09/24/12
19 Kenming Member 95 Bard 71.75 32.00 0.00 2.174242 39.75 09/24/12
20 Aroust Member 95 Ranger 71.75 10.00 0.00 6.522727 61.75 09/23/12
21 Nunuke Box 95 Warrior 69.50 0.00 0.00 69.500000 69.50 09/24/12
22 Shavin Member 95 Shadow Knight 68.50 23.50 0.00 2.795918 45.00 09/21/12
23 Xcat Member 95 Beastlord 66.50 11.00 0.00 5.541667 55.50 09/23/12
24 Roadcan Applicant Member 95 Druid 65.50 38.00 0.00 1.679487 27.50 09/23/12

17 raid main, 5 raid app.

and we keep farm VOA T1 T2 and one of T3 raid ,I have to say we are so good.

Imagine when we have 54  raider like them . What's oseka raid ,  What's RT raid ,what 's T4 raid .

so, this embarrassed not our problem. Initial only 6  raider and now we can win BD
raid , we have done  good enough and I have enough reason to believe we can do better, because now there are at least 22 raider whos attendance more than 66.7% .

thanks all ,we are in EQ,RF in progress

lklws

我无法给你任何安慰，这是任何公会都可能会遭遇的问题，我也无法给予你我的信心，虽然我认为我们会看到RF更辉煌的未来。

我统计了一下最近2个月参加raid的人员出勤：
我们每周3个raid日，能够达到完整2个raid日出勤的人员有22位超过66.7％。
17位raid main ，5位raid app.
而我们依靠这个队伍保持着farm了 VOA T1 T2 and BD raid，我得说 we are power 。

试想当我们有了54位这样的raider ，oseka 算什么 ，RT 算什么  ，T4又算什么 。

so, 当前的窘状不是我们的问题 。我们可以从最初的6个人raider到现在打进一个VOAT 3 raid，我们已经做得足够好了 ，而且我有足够的理由相信我们还可以做得更好，因为我们现在至少还有22个出勤高于66.7%的raider。

谢谢，我们在eq，RF在进军。

lklws

关于NCM合作的事情，事实上NCM也遭遇着这种类似的问题，甚至这周sarith 都CR了 ，当我和Roxor（NCM officer & RL)试着想出一个办法：

我们互相共享raid main， 在周六 周日这些可以双方都raid的时候，我们可以共同尝试一些需要raid main充裕的raid。至今我还认为这是一个让双方都能走出困境的办法，可惜后来被NCM的某些官员反对了，就此不提也罢。

不关如何，NCM是我们的前辈公会，有着很多我们值得学习的地方，他们用比我们更少的人员打进了第一个VOA T4 raid。坚守我们的信念或许RF也可以做得更好。